When the whole deal broke out that John Piper was inviting Rick Warren to speak at his Desiring God National Conference – I somehow got caught up in a conversation with some folks about the whole thing over on Facebook – whew! One lesson I learned, you can’t always “reason” with neo-calvinists – I mean they were throwing John Piper under the bus – they were insisting Warren is a heretic, false teacher, emeny of the church? WOW.
Well, on the issue of doctrine and being right one fellow made the following comment to me:
Brian, doctrine is most important, men have died for doctrine. What you believe affects the way you live. Jesus taught doctrine, the bible is full of doctrine. That is loving one another when you teach the right doctrine. The Scriptures say that God is love, so who better to define love than He. If you do not have the right doctrine how can you say … See More you love God. Many on the day of judgement will stand before God thinking they know Him (which is right doctrine) and be sadly mistaken. Men’s definition of love and God’s are way diffrent. Search the Scriptures for in them you THINK you have eternal life.
Oh Man, where to begin? So many questions about this comment that I have.
First thing I guess I noticed, was that nobody died for Jesus! Lol! They died for a system of belief. If so, that’s a real shame, you know?
So knowing “right doctrine” can be equated with “knowing God”? Wait a minuite, I thought God was a being, a person, not a system of belief? God is someone to be related to not necessarily systematized.
“Search the Scriptures for in them you THINK you have eternal life.” Huh? I thought that was what Jesus rebuked the Jewish leaders for in John 5:39?
(39) “You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you posess eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, (40) yet you refuse to come to me to have life.”
This man was obviously committed to the calvinist way of understanding God and the Bible but has inisted that he would not want to be part of something that wasn’t right – by implication that calvinism is the most right way of thinking about and knowing/relating to God, to the exclusion of other ways, which was over-interpreted to mean any way is fine and good, which was sort of missing the point.
Here is my main question: Are we so concerned about getting it right that we have missed the ONE who is the light and the life of all people, the ONE who alone is able to give us eternal life?
I guess I am glad there isn’t going to be a systematic theology test when I get to heaven! lol!